Guest Chris Kirsch, DefCon 25 Social Engineering Capture The Flag winner and Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer at Rumble, talks with our UK Correspondent Carole Theriault about his experience at the event, Dave’s story is about scammers bypassing social engineering and going directly to pitch employees to install ransomware, Joe’s got a story about travel scams he came across while planning a recent trip, our Catch of the Day comes from Reddit about some text messages which cause emotions to flare.